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Yeah, the Redskins fans suck. The team hasn't been very good lately, so they have completely deserted them, split.... oh, hold on a second, what's this?

The NFL 2008 attendance records?

Well I should check to see just how crappy the Redskins are (since you said it, it must be true).

Oh dear.

There the Redskins are at #1, nearly 100,000 fans above the second closest (the reigning Super Bowl champ Giants).

Well, Pittsburgh, with its legions of fake loyalists who only show up after recent successes, must be pretty high on the list.

What's that?

Oh, I see -- they're number #21 of 32.

But you know, whatever, don't let facts get in the way of a good argument. I'm sure they're first in something. Sausage consumption maybe?
Those numbers are inflated because it's so easy for fans of the opposing team to get tickets. That same piece I linked to ends with a quote from a ***skin: "In my whole career I have never seen fans of our opponents outweigh the home crowd," Andre Carter told TheHogs.net. "In my mind, I was thinking to myself: 'What has the world come to?' It felt like 49% of the fans in our stadium were Steeler fans." Andre Carter may not be a mathematician, but the larger point is that there were a whole lot of Steeler fans at FedEx Field last Monday. Attendance is a far less notable achievement when so much of that attendance is out for the other team.
Let me just be clear on your argument. The Redskins, despite more than a decade of futility, fill the NFL's largest stadium, and outpace the next closest attendance record by nearly 100,000 people, all thanks to Steelers fans?

Well yeah. That makes perfect sense. The republican party has good work for guys like you who can stick to a messaging point with tired anecdotes and pathetic rationalizations, even after they've been proved conclusively wrong by hard data.

You have a talent.

Oh and hey 21. Nice.
That attendance is bolstered by fans of other teams. Those aren't 100,000 ***skins fans, jackass.
And who cares about attendance anyway? Should you find an argument that's based on... oh, I don't know: winning football games?
"Like most of the population of the nation's capital, their fanbase is transient and fleeting."

I was just refuting your insipid, unfounded declaration (I realize in your case, I should just save time, and call it a "declaration").

As a fan, I have no sway over wins and losses. I can only control my own level of dedication.

Unlike fake Steelers fans, most of whom chose to follow them because they happened to be the team that won all the time on TV when they were kids, Redskins fans are legitimate and loyal, and have proven to be the best by the measure that matters most in this country - money.

If they have such dedicated fans, why do they routinely let the other team take over their home stadium? This whole towel theft scheme is a ploy to get ***skins fans to come out and support the team. Maybe you missed that part.
I missed the part where you made an argument based on anything other than innuendo and your own inane, unfounded opinions (hereinafter referred to as "you opinions").

If you're the biggest drawing team, you have the best real fan base, period. Every team, in every real city, draws fans of opposing teams. It's a consistent, and therefore statistically insignificant phenomenon. The number is the number, and the Redskins number is consistently the best number.

The fact that Steelers fans show up in disproportionate numbers outside of Pittsburgh (only when the Steelers are winning of course) further proves that most of their "fans" have probably never even smelled Pittsburgh. The Steelers are a popular choice among the sort of insubsantial dilletants who "follow" the Lakers and the Red Sox.
Cerrato has made repeated pleas to fans this morning not to sell their tickets to Cowboys fans; he responded to one complaint about the fan base's no-show last week by saying "just stay there and vote, everybody's who's listening just keep voting for the Redskins Ticket."

"Please, pretty please, don't sell your tickets!" Yeah, ownership making "repeated pleas" (I call it "begging") to get people to come to the game is one of the clearest indicators of a solid fanbase.

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